ANOTHER 350 PROJECT

[gsjohnny]

THIS THREAD IS PROPERTY OF GSJOHNNY AND THE BPG.

after some deliberation on what my next 350 project is. i've have decided.

stay tuned. :LAUGH:

[Sean Buick 76]

Come on!!!!!!! You have to give us more to go on!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gsjohnny]

for those who are curious the clue is;

can't get enough of the 350's.... :LAUGH:

the answer is ____ __ ____ ________. fill in the blanks. :LAUGH:

[Sean Buick 76]

So you are going to connect two Buick 350s together with one trans! What you gonna put that in???

[cacmanjr]

Uh Oh......Dr. Frankenstein is back in the lab!

[cacmanjr]

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[gsjohnny]

hey, who stole the twin 350's that were in it last night........

[John Csordas]

I see a disaster in the making!:PANTS: Make sure your helmet is on tight!:T:

[71GSX455-4Spd]

"TV Johnny Ivo" :ROLL:

I think you should use (4) 350's....

[gsjohnny]

you guys are tough. i may try once or twice, but john will probably drive it. and the budget only accounts for 2 engines. will work out the bugs with one engine while building the second engine and hardware to install it. damn safety cloth items will cost almost as much as another engine.

[cacmanjr]

I see a disaster in the making!:PANTS: Make sure your helmet is on tight!:T:

I think his helmet has already been too tight!

[gsjohnny]

I think his helmet has already been too tight!

wait till we put you in car.... :WOW: :LAUGH:

[231na300hp]

Nice rail

[cacmanjr]

wait till we put you in car.... :WOW: :LAUGH:

Does it come in an extra large?

[techg8]

call it the Bat-mo-bile

350 powered of course

[gsjohnny]

thanks to john everett, it was delivered last night. it's nice. have to check it all over and see what i need to fix or change and then on to the fun. we are going to start small, aka v6 we have, just to get use to everything and then the 350. all while i'm building another 350 which will takes back to square one.

the definition of owning a boat is "break out another thousand". it will be the same. :LAUGH:

[gsjohnny]

i sat in it today to see how it feels. nice and snug. i know the whoa and go pedals will have to be move. previous owner must have had small feet. lol
i was looking around last night for sbc zoomie headers. starting at $700 and up. yikes! i will be making my own for a lot cheaper.

[jerry mathers]

How about some Kenne Bell pulse divider headers? 3 in collector and 2in primarys

[gsjohnny]

for which engine? pics?

[jerry mathers]

455 . I was wondering if anybody has used these headers. And why hasnt any other company done this. Pulse divider.

[gsjohnny]

i'm racing with 350's. sorry

[71stage1conv]

Johnny, I was hoping you came up with a pair of aluminum heads born in the Batcave...:CRAP:

[gsjohnny]

never got my christmas wish from t/a for 4 junk v6 alum heads :CRAP: and you know i would make them work somehow.

[71stage1conv]

Yep, I know that for sure, even if it took 1000 batcave hours! You never know, MAYBE they will show up one day soon.:TH:

[jerry mathers]

isnt dan healey a blind guitarist?

[69GS400s]

isnt dan healey a blind guitarist?

... Leave it to Beaver to throw stones in a glass house

[Carl Rychlik]

Looks like a nice project,John!! When you were showing me the pictures and the paperwork at the Christmas party,I knew it wasn't going to be cheap but what isn't nowadays. Should be really interesting what this combo should equate to,maybe mid to low 8's? I'm sure you'll keep us posted on your rails' progress. Best of luck,John.

[gsjohnny]

carl,
the biggest initial cost will be the personal safety items. for this year i have been surfing the net for all sorts of stuff and answers. i think i can get the car going for under a grand this year not counting the safety items. but next year when i go to the twin engine setup....OUCH. maybe i can hit a few lotto's. :LAUGH:

[Carl Rychlik]

You're right about that John-A lot of people don't realize how expensive safety items are but they are very essential especially when building a race car. I'm glad to hear that it's only going to cost a thousand dollars to get that car going at this point(at least you'll have it running and be able to get your ride time and your certification). By next year,you'll be graduating to the big leagues(just think,how many people run twin engines in their cars?!!) Well as you know,anything having to do with automobiles isn't cheap and it's an expensive hobby. We can only hope we hit the daily numbers!!!

[Sean Buick 76]

Cool stuff!

[Carl Rychlik]

Hey John,when you finally get done with your rail (with many $$$$ into it), it will be pretty cool to hear a Buick powered dragster!(with 16 cylinders firing away!)

[gsjohnny]

like i said, it's a 2 yr project with $$$ to be spent.

[gsjohnny]

been searching for misc items. lost a deal on an sfi suit. procrastinated to long. trying to find a chevy/bop motor/adapter plate. nobody makes a combined unit for what i need. i will have to make one.
the little things are a pain.

[techg8]

Hey its not about the destination, its the Journey right?

And I know how you feel on that SFI suit missed deal. You have to be quick when the right deal pops up.

keep on truckin'

[gsjohnny]

i bought some aluminum plate to make my own adapter plate. love the scrap yard down the street from work. also found another sf1 15 suit. faded red to orange. don't care about the color. just recertified till 2017. good deal too.

[gsjohnny]

brought the 'bundle of tubing' home tonight. had to add some hokey ramps to the front of the trailer because its a wee bit long. will need to change the design because rolling it off it drag on the trailer. off to the scrap yard again.
john finally sat in it. i lifted the front way up' how's that feel'? lol. we think we figured out the mid-mount/adapter issue. we discussed using the v6 vs v8 to get our feet wet. since the motor mount locations are the same, we decided to play with the v6 first. regular headers wont work, gotta make some zoomies. john will be doing some rewiring, it needs it. besides i have a couple of things i want to try with the 350 in the 73 before it goes in the rail.
bought a 2012 recert sfi 15 suit for $450. little faded, but so is my hair. lol.
need to get the rest.

this maybe a lot easier than i thought it would be.

[gsjohnny]

machined most of the mid-mount adapter plate. couple of little things to do and it will be ready. damn dowel locating pins dont really line on all gm engines. need to figure out how to pull out the pins and replace them with longer pins before i install the engine/tranny.

[gsjohnny]

figured out how to get out the locating pins. made new ones and installed them on the v6. i forgot the 2 top holes that mount the plate to the rail. had to do some more machining on the plate to fit right, if there such a thing on a rail. when we get the real v6 in it then i can finish machining it for gauge mounting and throttle linkage. then we need a tig welder to install motor mount plates.
i installed the trans and plate and the bare block dummy v6 in it to see how everything looks. nothing like working on your knees and fighting real tight spaces. plus putting these parts in by hand w/o a hoist is a pain. these things get heavier as you get older. put the heads on the dummy to check how the headers are going to work. we have 4 different sets. the problem is one side hits the chassis and the other hits the steering shaft. i will just have to bend them a little to have clearance.
we have a herman munster issue with the trans. being a short tail doesn't leave much room for big feet. john has some issues there. :LAUGH:. but i can see why some of the rails use the regular tail shaft. no herman munster's allowed. :LAUGH:

everybody should build a rail once. :DOU:

[gsjohnny]

we ran into a little problem concerning the oil filter/plate. hits the top rail. going to try to roll the trans/plate/motor to see if the problem will fixed. problem is i need to make room for the 350. may have to have a new top rail installed or look into a separate pump system. ugh!
cut up an old set of headers and put them on. looks like the munsters coffin car. pretty funny.

[gsjohnny]

note; regarding the oil pump/filter housing.
whats really needs to be done on all timing covers is to make all oil pump covers like the newer v6's where the oil pump is run off the crankshaft not the distributor. they work better and makes room for other accessories.

[gsjohnny]

well, here is the stupid inventory part(s). i have a ton of 350 stuff and more. with the engine in the rail, i'm trying all these different t/c's. now i have this brand spanking new one which i got in trade a 455. we looking at it tonite and wondering why the h2o ports on top don't match the v6. john runs the casting number on his cell phone.....it's a brand new 215 timing cover. UGH!!
now we know a 215 t/c does NOT fit a 350. right now the trash can looks good.
so i just need the oil filter part to see if it cures our problem.

[71stage1conv]

Bummer Johnny, but there are always a few setbacks.

[gsjohnny]

still looking for rover 3.5/9 oil filter plates. new ones are out of this world. w/o these it is tough to finish that part up. found that honda civic radiators will fit between the rails. they make 3 core with the right hose size. ebay $130. can't beat that. john's ordering a t/a f/pump. and we need to get a converter and if anybody sees a mooneyes tank cheap, let me know. then there is all the little misc stuff. but we will ready to try it out.

got my sfi15 'faded' red suit. tried it on, it fits but i NEED to lose a few pounds. lol

[gsjohnny]

oil pump cover;
if i can't get a cover i think i have another avenue. i thought about and i think it will work because we are running a rail. delete the oil filter. i can make a dummy cup to replace the oil filter. 'we don't need no stinkin' oil filter' :LAUGH:

[cacmanjr]

got my sfi15 'faded' red suit. tried it on, it fits but i NEED to lose a few pounds. lol

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO not you, John!

[gsjohnny]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO not you, John!

your just jealous lol

[gsjohnny]

still looking for the elusive 215 or rover 3.5 oil pump cover. you would think there would one or two around. worked on the trans bolt to tie the tranyy and block to the mid mount plate. made a bracket and welded the two hidden sbc trans bolts. now i have to countersink two holes so can bolt the two hidden sbb bolts to the mid mount plate. once thats all done i need to have the motor mounts welded to the chassis and then i can put in the v6 and to all the little stuff and we will be ready to start it up and play with it.

[gsjohnny]

i did the 2 buick blind holes, trimmed one side on the plate and cut out for the starter. tried the 350 in it. the oil pump area is really close to the chassis. may have to make a dummy oil filter cover if a rover cover doesn't work. one little item holding the whole project up. errrr.

[gsjohnny]

still looking for that 215 or 3.5 rover oil pump cover. in the meantime i made a dummy cover to try. need a tap to finish it up to see if it clears. john rewired the car for our use. made motor mount brackets for the engine. just need tabs and have them welded on. not much more easy items left to do. big ticket items are a converter, new brake pads, fuel pump and radiator. will have to get creatative with the radiator hoses. and hopefully we can use the gas tank that came with the car.

[gsjohnny]

since i can't find any oil pump covers in the usa, i found a guy in england that hopefully has what i need. d&d, the 215 guys were no help at all. would not answer my email for what i'm looking for. i cut my dummy filter way down to see if it would fit with the metric cover. no way.
honda radiator will be here monday. found a builder close by that sells the saddle mounts i'll need to mount the radiator and for motor mounts. also sells throttle cables which i need. nice to have somebody nearby. need some braided hoses for fuel lines, a converter and we should be ready to go by the end of the month if nothing goes wrong.

be nice if somebody took pictures of all that's going on. but its too much technology for me.

[gsjohnny]

stupid dilemma today. pulled the engine out to install the converter. all back together and go to bolt up the converter and WHOA, the gap is over a 1/2". fit to the c/shaft, no pump. fit to the pump, no crankshaft. so web surfing we go. found that ati makes c/shaft extenders. naturally for chevies. sent them an email to see what they can do for me. maybe the chevie will work on the buick. we'll see.

[71stage1conv]

Dang...

[gsjohnny]

http://www.atiracing.com/products/adapterk/akit.htm

3/4's the way down is the crank spacer.

[cacmanjr]

All it ever takes is money!

[gsjohnny]

everyone of those little bumps in the road............

[gsjohnny]

emailing back and forth with these trans companies is a joke. if it's not a chevy, they don't want to know anything. so i made my own c/shaft adapter tonight. have to pull the engine out to see if my dimenions are good. wonder what the next bump will be.

[cacmanjr]

emailing back and forth with these trans companies is a joke. if it's not a chevy, they don't want to know anything. so i made my own c/shaft adapter tonight. have to pull the engine out to see if my dimenions are good. wonder what the next bump will be.

What ever the next bump is, you can handle it.

[gsjohnny]

made the c/shaft adapter the other night. nothing like making one of a kind part. had to pull and install the engine/trans 4 times to get the adapter right. a big pain doing that. just have to make the spacers for the f/wheel to converter. and then move on to the next bump which is the saddle mounts for the engine and radiator. we're getting closer to trying it out.

[gsjohnny]

well i figured since i had the converter hooked up finally i prime the oil pump with the dummy cover. works well, no problems. oil pressure is high, may have to put a lesser spring in it. i went to install the f/pump tonite. had to take off the motor mount, slot the holes and move it back because it hit the pump. then i had to rotate the pump to get it in. ended up pulling it out 3 times to rotate the bottom so i could be able to hook up the inlet line. beginning to hate chevies more. since all this was done, i figured i would put gas to it. poured some gas in the carb, puff a little. added more gas, cranked and wouldn't start. standing there looking at it, all of sudden it starts by itself. there wasno cranking involved, it just mysteriously started by itself. holy moly! hit the e-stop button. noped that's not going to work. finally pulled the power wire to the coil. forgot i had direct 12v going to it. that was enough for the night. john will have to wire it correctly so i don't do this again.

[techg8]

Its just dying to get on the track is all John....cant wait

[gsjohnny]

john and i played with it tonight. hooked the coil wire to the starter which made things better. lol. ran it till we had some steam coming out the t/stat. time to stop playing. with the cut-up raggety headers, it sounded different. 1 1/2" pipes. may make the zoomies with 1 3/4". get a real different sound. just a few things left to do before we driveway test it.

[Carl Rychlik]

Glad you got your car up and running and looking forward to seeing it run!!!!

Hope it runs well for you guys. Good luck!!!:TU:

[d7cook]

Pics?

[gsjohnny]

Pics?

pics? do you think i know how to use a camera and put it on here. no way. too much technology for me. i need my son to do that.

[71GSX455-4Spd]

What a labor of love and a one of a kind machine! Definitely get your son to take some pictures, especially of some of the custom made stuff. :TU:

[gsjohnny]

got the 2 oil pump covers from england today. they just might work.

[gsjohnny]

got 2 sets of forged 283 std bore pistons off ebay for the 2nd dragster engine. $80 set. now to find some nascar rods.

[gsjohnny]

almost done. mounted radiator and fan. thankfully i keep a bunch of rad hoses around. had to cut up 3 of them to make 2 work on the honda rad. hooked up a couple of loose ends. only things left are the front saddle mounts which i will pick up this week, a throttle cable and john to finish his wiring. then i can send the car to the muffler shop for zoomie headers. and then we its playtime.
just have to finish buying our safety stuff.

[gsjohnny]

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[gsjohnny]

pictures

1) my hell hole of a garage. need more room. lol
2) metric oil pump cover, but no room for a filter. had to make a dummy one.
3&4) aren't those some UGLY headers. i cut up a set of hooker/jeep headers.
5) old airheart disc brakes. pads and kits are still available. the hat rotors are nla. would like to find another pair
6) fuel pumps just fits in there.
check out the pic of the oil pump covers. l to r.
1st is a normal one. the 2 & 3 are metric covers. 4 is a 215, 5 is from a rover. and if you ever look at an amc v8, they are almost the same. but they use 7 bolts and the gears are on a curve.
last pic is my trailer modified to fit the rail for now.

[71stage1conv]

Nice picts, looks like a whole lot of fun Johnny!!! Sure getting closer...

[d7cook]

Looks like a fun project, thanks for the pics.

When was the last time the chassis was certified? I'm not familiar with the rules for FED but the last time I went through chassis certification the inspector was telling me how he fails FED's more than anything else.

[gsjohnny]

inspection ran out in december. going this w/end for recert. hopefully it will pass.

[cacmanjr]

inspection ran out in december. going this w/end for recert. hopefully it will pass.

Good Luck, John. Hope it passes.

[gsjohnny]

we finished the wiring tonight. still waiting for my saddle clamps and throttle cable to come in. need a few a-n fittings to make things better.
but, as usual, another stinkin' bump. while running and in 'park', the wheels still turn. adjusted the cable, nothing. disconnected the cable and turn the pawl with a wrench to see if goes in park. not really. i think i have a 'park' problem. going to have to ask somebody about how to adjust it. hopefully i don't have to pull it all apart.

[gsjohnny]

i hooked a throttle cable last night and finished some minor issues. john came over tonite and took it for a ride. burned out of the garage. trouble is, it's a long chassis to steer away from the tree thats not too far from the garage. luckily he missed it. damn kid. thankfully i have a large yard to turn it around so he can do burnouts in the driveway. the v6 definitley needs a little tuneup. john said it was a little bouncy, but he loved every minute of it. lol
we loaded it on the trailer for recert tomorrow. hopefully all goes well.

[gsjohnny]

nothing like waking up to find a dragster covered in an inch of snow. lol. we went to mass. and they had no snow up there. met up john with his 67 and greg who bought sweasy's car. lot of fun being the only fed there. nobody wants to drive one of them.
we passed cert. good to 7.50. doubt we will ever get even close to that. now to finish all the little details and get it painted.

[cacmanjr]

nothing like waking up to find a dragster covered in an inch of snow. lol. we went to mass. and they had no snow up there. met up john with his 67 and greg who bought sweasy's car. lot of fun being the only fed there. nobody wants to drive one of them.
we passed cert. good to 7.50. doubt we will ever get even close to that. now to finish all the little details and get it painted.

Sounds good, John. Can't wait to see how it runs. Hope gas is cheaper out there than here. Premium is $4.999 per gallon down the street!

[gsjohnny]

hey....mega millions had 3 winners. one was from illinois....was that you ???? "can i have some gas money daddy" lol

[cacmanjr]

hey....mega millions had 3 winners. one was from illinois....was that you ???? "can i have some gas money daddy" lol

Don't I wish!

[gsjohnny]

found a set of nascar rods on ebay for the second motor. somebody bidding against me wants them just as bad.
find out tomorrow who wins.

[gsjohnny]

well i won the nascar rods. cost me $280. a little more than i wanted to spend, but i got the (16) 283 pistons for $160. thats cheaper than last time. still have to buy rings. but the machine shop costs will makeup the difference. lol

[gsjohnny]

nice day to clean the leaves in the yard. also a great day to take the rail out to try it myself in the driveway. YAHOO!!! it was fun!!!

[gsjohnny]

received the 'new lentz' rods today. they are real nice pieces.
i am looking for an 86-87 grand national intake to make the v6 a s/charged engine. anybody got one cheap?

[gsjohnny]

anybody needing a set of lentz rods like the ones i just bought, they have another set. let me know.

[Nothingface5384]

I may be interested
are the big end width narrow enough to possibly work with a 370+ stroker?
6.3? 6.35 ? 6.4 rods?

[gsjohnny]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310391288344?item=310391288344&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr

same as i bought. price is the same. send les an email and tell him i sent you.

[gsjohnny]

did anybody contact les?

[gsjohnny]

did anybody the 2nd set?

[gsjohnny]

saturday a/noon was a nice day. took out the rail to play around again. this thing is FUN. better than a door slammer. lol

[Nothingface5384]

my internet was down for abit and totally forgot about it!they only went for 280also..

[Nothingface5384]

btw,contacted him and im getting a set of these rods for 2nd engine want to make astroker engine

[gsjohnny]

i think the crank end would be a smaller overall width than the stock rod which would allow a more of a stroke. but i havent check them against the stock rods.
the rods i think you will get are new lentz rods. $2500 new for $280 is not a bad deal.
btw, make sure you have a good machine shop that thinks when you do the crank.

[gsjohnny]

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had to buy this 1910 buick. :LAUGH:

besides buying this sunday, i also picked up an inglese v6 intake with webers for a good price. the 350 might not make it in the rail this year because i have some more projects for the v6. seems like i should have 2 rails.

[cacmanjr]

Supercharged 350 going in that one?

[Nothingface5384]

well gsjohnny, I got those rods buddy

They should work with the stroker build(2nd project hopefully next year)...but can always clearence the ends if needed i guess..''eitherway ithink its about the best rod for the price for virtually any 350build

[gsjohnny]

i still haven't compared the oem to nascar rods. but i think the over all crank end is a lot smaller which gives you space to stroke it w/o hitting the cam area. again, find a GOOD crank grinder that understands what your doing especially with the honda 1.880's. mine thinks i'm crazy, but the engine hasn't broke. do not use the clevite bearings, too hard. use the honda's. also you may have to notch the tang to the other side with the honda's. regarding the top end, maybe we can open it to the buick size. i don't think .010 is going to make a difference(?). if that works, you won't need special pistons. one last note, balancing the engine should be external because the crank grinding throws it wayyyyy off.

$2500 rods for $280 is not a bad deal. money saved you can give to the machine shop. :LAUGH:

[Nothingface5384]

yea, my forged hershe rods for the twinturbo were 1295 ..so for billet rods for 280-300 is pretty awsome...hell i think reconditioned rods cost more ha
i'll probably send a crank to finishline performance? bob makkley when the time comes then 11.1cr pistons from amp

[Nothingface5384]

well should be atmy door by this comming weds!

any updates on your buick 700 v16 LOL

[gsjohnny]

i bought an inglese intake with webers. gotta try that. plus am looking for the lower intake for a 86-87 turbo to build a s/c for the v6. all this puts the v16 back a little further. and i still have to build another 363.
not enough time............

[Nothingface5384]

yea i hear ya about the time

i'm almost tempted to shoot for 375.55 lol .100 stroke offset .090 overbore with a gt45 turbo and stuff it in a 61-63 skylark/special

[gsjohnny]

warning on .090 bore; stock head gasket at edge of cylinder. suprised we haven't blown a head gasket with the s/charger.

[Nothingface5384]

that's good to know, .075 would still yeild me 373 cubes might try and make my own MLS gasket this time since I have my custom Gaskets-To-Go MLS handy to duplicate

[Nothingface5384]

is that why your building another 363 vs a 365.55(366)
asuming this isnt an issue with .075

[gsjohnny]

the 350 is a stroker(torque) motor by design. running n/a by the stuff i make(ex: gearing) requires more bore, less stroke. would really love to sleeve it out to 4". but haven't figured out all the answers yet. turbo, pro/chgr and the real s/c's doesn't require it. plus all i do is old world tech. i like the simple stuff. nothing is new tech. it is a basis for the rest of you to build and improve on. and i don't keep any secrets about anything i do.

[gsjohnny]

last w/end we took the rail over to my fathers because he has a long driveway and a hill to run up to stop. car tested fine. today we went to the valley for buick day. john did 2 small burnouts and something broke between the engine and the rear. no drive, reverse, nothing. hopefully its something easy to fix. and hopefully its not the dedenbear p/glide. be a shame if a 200hp v6 breaks a dedenbear.
tomorrow is musclepalooza at the valley. taking the 73 with the 363 s/c WITH a good trans for once. if something breaks on that one, its going to be a long lonesome summer.

[gsjohnny]

we made o for 2 this w/end

[cacmanjr]

So did you tear it apart yet?

[gsjohnny]

pulled apart the noticeable's. nothing. sending the trans out for inspection. damn 'little bumps in the road' syndrome.

[Nothingface5384]

last w/end we took the rail over to my fathers because he has a long driveway and a hill to run up to stop. car tested fine. today we went to the valley for buick day. john did 2 small burnouts and something broke between the engine and the rear. no drive, reverse, nothing. hopefully its something easy to fix. and hopefully its not the dedenbear p/glide. be a shame if a 200hp v6 breaks a dedenbear.
tomorrow is musclepalooza at the valley. taking the 73 with the 363 s/c WITH a good trans for once. if something breaks on that one, its going to be a long lonesome summer.

so what does this car in the 1/4 mi

[gsjohnny]

which one?

[Nothingface5384]

the s/c 363
did you have anytimes with the 363 as n/a?

[gsjohnny]

well............since i finally put in a good trans, p/g w/transbrake, the car is a lot more responsive on take off except the big street tires offer no traction whatsoever. that being said they were useless at the track. it smoked them thru 1st, shifted to 2nd and continued the same. the car then kinda went sideways(could have been another wall story) then straighten out and continued on. it was pulling real hard and got a little hairy on top end. i got out of it before the 2nd mph light. went to get my timeslip only to find out it was leaky water(back to sideways issue) due to fan belt was off and it was overheating. timeslip was 15.6(due to tires and o/heating) at 99.5 mph. so if it didnt o/heat and had slicks, i figure it would have been towards the low 12's.
s/c's make heat and when you add a hot day, it compounds the issue. not a good thing. the s/c is coming off and back to the s/p. i love the instant power with the s/c, but not the problems.

[Nothingface5384]

sounds crazy
off with the s/c for good? or just temporary off till you get problems figured out?

[gsjohnny]

belt falling was old. not an issue. the heat is the issue. 20-20 hindsight in making the blower intake, i took too much off the top. i probably should make a chiller spacer for it. then i would need a bigger hole in the hood. also would need to upgrade cooling system. i need a lower g/n turbo intake for the v6 so i can put the s/c on it to see what the rail will do.
too many project ideas..........lol

[gsjohnny]

forgot to ask.....got yours running yet?

[Nothingface5384]

nope, mines still under the car cover. but I plan to start working on it this month.
buddy is going to help me with putting the pro-touring suspension on, I still need to send out the burton s/p intake to get modified for efi..then goes on the holley hpefi system and turbos

baby it for a while till i get the hershe bottomend/ 355 engine built...then on to finding maybe a 67 special for a 373ci Twinturbo(bigger turbos) for a drag car

[gsjohnny]

nope, mines still under the car cover. but I plan to start working on it this month.
buddy is going to help me with putting the pro-touring suspension on, I still need to send out the burton s/p intake to get modified for efi..then goes on the holley hpefi system and turbos

baby it for a while till i get the hershe bottomend/ 355 engine built...then on to finding maybe a 67 special for a 373ci Twinturbo(bigger turbos) for a drag car

stop slacking off and get moving......

[Nothingface5384]

oh i know
you think thatsince I got a 2012 car i'd have it done quicker..but its been quit the opposite!

I admit, ive def been slacking but will ge tit done as i'mstarting to miss cruising in the "ol boo ick"

[gsjohnny]

finally pulled the engine and trans out. dropped the trans off at the trans shop. so far we have broked gears in the converter.damn that v6 power.
will know more tomorrow.
also ask sanderson headers how much for a set v6 zoomies. i think $800 is a wee bit too much.

[cacmanjr]

That sux. Did the converter come with the trans? $800 for 6 pipes! That's an awful lot of money.

[gsjohnny]

converter was from another setup i bought. found a guy that sells mandrel bent tubes. i have flanges and car builder down the will weld them up.
trans guy said converter destroyed. trans need work too. trans and converter will be 3 times the money i put into the car to get it track ready, not counting purchase.

[cacmanjr]

Sorry to hear that John. Hope you get it back together yet this season.

[gsjohnny]

got to get it ready for buick day at epping at the end of month

[cacmanjr]

Cool. Can't wait to hear how it does.

[gsjohnny]

well, i know we won't be taking the rail to epping. the trans issue has deepen because of location/mounting of everything. apparently something is off and the trans guy wants it right before it goes back together. ok by me. back to the door car WITHOUT a s/c on it.

[cacmanjr]

Sorry to hear that, John......but I like your never give up spirit!

[gsjohnny]

indicate, indicate, indicate......sledgehammer is next. grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[gsjohnny]

got the trans and converter back and got a little poorer. anyways, got the engine and trans back in tonight. a pain wiggling them back in the chassis. maybe i will have running for epping.
i pulled the s/c of the 73 and went back to the s/p. seems almost the same. we'll see.

[cacmanjr]

Sounds good, John. Get that rail back out there.

[gsjohnny]

progress is good. most of it is back together. i have to add a trans cooler. right! find enough room is like trying to put size 8 shoes on a size 12 foot. it may be a 192" long, but space is limited on a fed. but anyways, got the thing started, then a loud rap developed. well, i used collared bolts for the flywheel/converter. the gap between the flywheel and motor plate is not much. the bolt heads were hitting the motor plate. had to take them out and take off .060 to solve the noise issue. need finish up the trans cooler, adjust shifter cable, put the skin on and we will be ready to try or break it again. lol

[gsjohnny]

as always, :CRAP:, it nice to work on a 44 yr old dragster. :DOU:. finally figure out the shifter issue. it wasnt at the trans cable, it was at the shifter. dont know if this was a marketed product or homemade. the issue was it had too much flex at the end of the cable bracket. rework it and now it works better.

[gsjohnny]

its all together. tried it out in the driveway and it seemed ok until i rev in neutral or park about 2500 rpms. i am getting a bad shake. last nite i disco the converter and tried again. same bad shake. i guess when it broke last time it messed up the flexplate. will have to try another one and see if that cures it. it better!

[cacmanjr]

Sure hope so..Good luck!

[gsjohnny]

it's hell trying to find stuff in my garage. took me an hour to find another flexplate that was correct. all back together now. need to take it out in the driveway to see if it cured the problem. but i almost tossed the v6 and put in the 350. if i didn't have the inglese/weber setup and blower sitting there, i probably would have.

[gsjohnny]

well it's been a long time since last post. damn hot weather and farming has slowed me down a bit. the only time we have taken the 'bones' out is to car shows which we throw the kiddies in it. glad the shows are over and its cooler.
disco the converter tonite to check the shake again. still there at 2500 rpm. let's try changing plug wires. found enough old ones to change them. doesn't shake till 3k now. another novel idea dummy. l think i should buy some new plugs and wires. :DOU:
going to also see if i can move the shifter higher so we can have some hand and knee room with the steering wheel.

[gsjohnny]

dragster is done for the season. old airheart calipers need work and nobody will touch them. have to find a wilwood setup that will work on it.
the simplest things cause the biggest problems. :DOU:

[BillMah52]

John,
Which calipers are you using? I may be able to help.

[cacmanjr]

dragster is done for the season. old airheart calipers need work and nobody will touch them. have to find a wilwood setup that will work on it. the simplest things cause the biggest problems. :DOU:

Sorry to hear that John. Hope you find a way around it or something else that will work.

[gsjohnny]

John,
Which calipers are you using? I may be able to help.

bill,
there are no numbers on the calipers. the only thing would be the mounting measurement and it is approx 4 3/16". i talked to a guy at wilwood last night and he kind of blew me off. what's wrong with these west coast people.............

[BillMah52]

John,
Are they triangular shaped or more rectangle?
Are there two bleeders on the face of the caliper?
Ford or Chevy spindles?
Can you get your son to take a picture?
Airheart still has parts for calipers made in the early 80's so I should be able to find a rebuild kit.
They are pretty easy.

[gsjohnny]

bill,

general picture of look
http://www.wilwood.com/Calipers/CaliperProd.aspx?itemno=120-11573
one bleeder screw on top. mopar rear. looking at wilwoods flange pictures/sizes, nothing matches mine dimensionally.
tolomatic who owns airheart won't touch them. pretty much everybody else says they belong on the shelf.

i sent a drawing with dimensions to wilwood. waiting for them to see if they can come up with an answer.
definately an oddball.

[BillMah52]

Give these people a call:
http://www.johnstuartpowerbrake.com/Disc-Brake-Calipers.page

[gsjohnny]

i got those stinking airheart's fixed and working good. so much for antiques. i had picked up a gm trans cooler a while ago. couldn't find a really good spot to mount, but i did. took out the radiator bracket and welded 2 pieces of metal on the bottom side. fits nice. doesn't really hang down below the chassis. get some tune up parts and try to get the zoomie headers done.

[cacmanjr]

i got those stinking airheart's fixed and working good. so much for antiques. i had picked up a gm trans cooler a while ago. couldn't find a really good spot to mount, but i did. took out the radiator bracket and welded 2 pieces of metal on the bottom side. fits nice. doesn't really hang down below the chassis. get some tune up parts and try to get the zoomie headers done.

Cool! Sounds like you are on your way.

[gsjohnny]

we ran the 'bundle of pipes'. went faster than i thought with the v6. it ran the best of 11.77 @111. :LAUGH: i was surprised to say the least. if i put in the 350, i figured it would run low 9's. tomorrow will be another day.

[gsjohnny]

day 2 at cecil; weather was warmer and the best we ran was 11.88@110. not bad for engine that sat in the garage for yr and half. car ran smooth and straight says 'the kid'

what kind of punishment should i give him next..........

[No Lift]

Make him read the tach at the traps!

[gsjohnny]

Make him read the tach at the traps!

towards the end of friday he said the tach was broken. ok. sunday i started it up. it wasn't broken.:BLAST: i may to remove the numbers and put pictures on the scale so he can me tell where the needle is at.:LAUGH:

[gsjohnny]

now that its the seasons done, onward to more buildling.

i had purchased some v6 header flanges off ebay. started machining then for 1 3/4 tubes. ruin(my fault) the cutter because the flanges are
s/st. damn. so i had to make my own last night. got some tubing yesterday, now have to bend them to look like zoomies.
i have contacted different businesses about this, but when you mention buick, the conversation goes dead.
for example, i called/emailed wilwood brakes and explained the f.e.d. brakes issue. they blew me off.
pretty typical with any west coast business i have dealt with.

[gsjohnny]

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?255723-TOP-ELIMINATOR-2013-at-the-3-Buick-Events-input-needed

i talked to john about this before he put this up. will have to do some hard thinking on where we want to be next year. damn.....

[gsjohnny]

the car shows are over and i see the next buick vs ? is in november at atco. going to try to get the 350 in the rail for one of those races, but it depends on whether we get snow here. snow, we no go. sun, hopefully be there. be interesting if the 'bundle of pipes' goes deep into the 9's w/o the driver looking for his supply of depends. :LAUGH::LAUGH:

[gsjohnny]

now that the fun time is over, it's back to the drawing board. project is camshaft bearings up to valves;

been looking at how nascar uses roller bearings and other things for their camshafts. printed off bearing sizes. going to take some work to make it work. plus i may have to ruin a camshaft to test it out. then there is the 'other things' that nascar uses which might be a little costly unless i can find some used stuff.
we'll see it all pans out. i know my machine shop guy's head will be spinning again. :LAUGH:

[No Lift]

Fun time is just starting! I plan on hitting Cecil this Saturday for some stupid mineshaft air and then hopefully Atco on the Sunday after Thanksgiving for the rescheduled Buick vs. Ford.

[gsjohnny]

just bought a winter beater, escort wagon, that needs a little tlc. keeps the miles off the tow truck.

[231na300hp]

your not lying about the beater gs, I used to race a 95 trunk model and a 93 wagon in high school, 4 banger ford is surprisingly fast with few bolt ons and 2 bottles of NOS brand Racing formula Octane booster in the tank, guess thats how i put two intake valves through #2 and #3 pistons, And went through 7 trannys, those fwd trannys just can't hold up for much more than granny peddle if you know what I mean :GEARS:

[231na300hp]

buick vs. ford man wish I could see that also I forget where I saw it there was a write up i think in hot rod magazine where they used roller bearings in a bbc you may ruin a block if its not milled right to hold the bearings + cam bbc did very well and I believe made about 40% more power than a conventional set of stamped cam bearings

[gsjohnny]

buick vs. ford man wish I could see that also I forget where I saw it there was a write up i think in hot rod magazine where they used roller bearings in a bbc you may ruin a block if its not milled right to hold the bearings + cam bbc did very well and I believe made about 40% more power than a conventional set of stamped cam bearings

not worried about ruin a block. got some garbage ones to practice on.

[gsjohnny]

got the v6 out of the rail. started to put in the 350, but had this issue with CSR. forgot about the things i had to modify to get the v6 block
in the rail. :DOU: that's just for starters. the oil pump and fuel pump will be the next 2 items.

[gsjohnny]

modified the back of the 350 like the v6 so its in the chassis and to the trans.
now for a real problem. i know i have to use the rover oil pump cover to fit in the chassis. i took off the oil filter and i have a mix of oil and good old water. thinking supercharger issue because i blew a fan belt and it overheated and maybe blew a head gasket. not much cylinder gasket due to the overbore. but head gaskets look ok. now i got to take down to a bare block to see if i can find a crack some place.
thankfully i have all winter.

[cacmanjr]

Sorry to hear that, John but at least it's post-season. Good luck with it.

[gsjohnny]

easy way out with the water issue is switch to alcholol. no coolant needed.

[gsjohnny]

so far i haven't found any cracks by sight. ugh.

[gsjohnny]

scrounging the web for more ideas and things for sale, i came across a 4-71 and 2 port hilborn injector for sale. decent price, but not complete.
now the rest of the story. :WOW:
'the bank' comes in and asks what i'm looking at on the computer. i tell 'the bank' about the s/c and different induction systems i'm interested in. WELL......:WOW::WOW:.....'the bank' asks for more info and how much do i want to spend. :WOW::WOW: HOLY MOLY!!!!! thankfully i already take heart meds.
we'll see where this goes..........:WOW::WOW::WOW::WOW:

[cacmanjr]

WATCH OUT..........SHE WANTS SOMETHING...............LOL!

[gsjohnny]

well...'the bank' agreed and here we go.

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/3417164595.html

not going to tell the driver just yet.

[ss4825]

well...'the bank' agreed and here we go.

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/3417164595.html

not going to tell the driver just yet.

Nice. I can't wait to see it.

[gsjohnny]

i need to find another sbm offenhauser dual quad intake. they have a low and high rise intake. i need the high one. new ones are too much.

just wait till the driver sees it. lol

[gsjohnny]

number i'm looking for offenhauser 5698. dual quad hi-rise

[gsjohnny]

pulled the pan. did not pull crank/pistons yet. but i did not see anything that could resemble any coolant cracks. wonder if its just a fluke thing from when i blew the fan belt back in may and o/heated it. ???
will check the honda bearings to see how that made out from the abuse.

[gsjohnny]

made a plate to test each cylinder for cylinder wall leaks. did not see anything out of the ordinary. maybe its just a fluke thing when it overheated. have to check the bearings and if there ok i will put it all back together and start fitting it to the dragster. think there will be a lot of differences from the v6.

fwiw, ebay had a set of calipers and rotors just like mine. hard to find. spares are always needed. fricken snipers with 10 seconds left. damn assholes.:BLAST::BLAST::BLAST:

[gsjohnny]

scrounging around i found indy heads, mopar guys, make a blower intake for the sbm's. emailed and called, told them what i was doing and needed a price on just a rough casting blower intake. they came back with $634.00. ouch! how much for a finished one? $634.00. thanks, but no thanks. checking some of the mopar sites about indy heads. not a lot of good to say about them. add one to the list.

[gsjohnny]

checked the bearings. all ok. with the v6, i had an issue with the oil filter. i made a dummy cover to replace the filter. with the 350 being a little longer, the filter will sit in a narrower spot on the chassis. i bought the rover 215 covers which turn the filter further in than the metric cover. but i compare the metric on the v6 to the metric on the 350 and they are different. hopefully one of the three will work. then there will be the fuel pump.

still looking for a small block mopar dual quad intake. offy p/n 5698. its the taller of the two.

[231na300hp]

whats up with the v6 johnny? i may be interested in parts

[gsjohnny]

that's john's engine. he might put it back in the 'hawk. it has been in 5 different cars and its tired. plus its .060 over and you can't go anymore than that.

[gsjohnny]

the rover covers have 4 holes. naturally one for the pump. but the other three must do other stuff. and one of them is a 'g' thread as oppose to npt or bnpt. have to find a plug for that. 'g' thread fittings are always fun to find.

[gsjohnny]

slid the 350 in the rail today. not a bad fit compared to the v6. fuel pump is ok with clearance.
oil pump covers; i put on the rover cover. its a might close to the same vertical rail the v6 had issues with. dont know if a filter will fit. then i looked at the pump cover still on the v6. that might work better, but i just dont know what its off of or where i got it. :DOU:
stock 350 headers will not work at all. the chevy headers i had altered to fit in the skyhawk fit, but i know they wont load on the trailer and probably will drag on the ground. would like to try them just to see how it would run. but, going to zoomies anyways for looks.
layed the s/p on it just to see if i could see around it. no such thing as a foward look.:LAUGH: and a blower will make it worse. the driver will just have to get use to driving by the stars.:LAUGH:
need to get stock metal stock for mounts and other pieces. could be up and running in a month.

any questions.....

[gsjohnny]

s/c intake; i have a mopar 'beehive' intake kicking around. if you havent seen one of these before, there pretty wierd and how they work is questionable. they look like a quonset house. took it to work. cut off the front and back ends and then sawed the top half off to see the innards. wierd. but, i think i can make a blower manifold out of it. will square it up first and then cut in half and then quarter it. will take opposite ends to make each side of the intake because they lean it towards the middle. going to wierd, but i think i can make it work. we'll see.

[gsjohnny]

been looking at slippery nascar stuff. looks like there is plenty of meat on the block to open the holes up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NASCAR-DEL-WEST-DLC-COATED-875-SOLID-FLAT-TAPPET-LIFTERS-600-/370723512478?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5650d7e09e&vxp=mtr

[gsjohnny]

different motor, different set up for front engine mounts. mounts/engine/trans have to be level and square with the spline coupler on the rear end. pain to do it alone and make sure its good. i think i got it close enough. threw the s/c on it just for fun to see how high it sits. no forward view there. the kid will have to drive by the guard rail. lol. few more things to make sure they fit properly and then pull it all a part to put the engine back together and reassemble all.

[ss4825]

Come on Johnny post us up a picture before you blow it all apart. I can't wait.

[gsjohnny]

Come on Johnny post us up a picture before you blow it all apart. I can't wait.

blow it apart......this engine has seen a lot of abuse over the years. the only time it had an issue is when some dummy changing from a holley to a qjet setup dropped something down the intake and took out 2 valves and peppered a piston. i don't think you can break a properly built 350.
furthermore, you know posting pictures up is way beyond my technical capabilities. that's the kid's job.
maybe we'll put you in the dragster for a run.

[ss4825]

I didn't mean blow it up. I meant before you pull it apart for the build. I just can't wait to see that thing with a blower out front.

[gsjohnny]

I didn't mean blow it up. I meant before you pull it apart for the build. I just can't wait to see that thing with a blower out front.

i pulled the block apart to find the water issue which i found none. must have been a fluke when i blew the fan belt and it o/heated(let me count the times it been o/heated). lol. so its kind of a dummy block to set it in the chassis. i put the mopar carb intake on it and it was tall, then i put the s/c setup on it and it was taller. wonder what it will look like with the 471 on it. the 471 is a surprise setup for the kid. cant wait till see his eyes roll backwards. lol.

[gsjohnny]

alan,
i have a lovely picture to post and for you to think about, but cant. whats your email?

[cacmanjr]

alan,
i have a lovely picture to post and for you to think about, but cant. whats your email?

This one?

[gsjohnny]

thanks carl.
anybody have any ideas what the picture is?

[cacmanjr]

thanks carl.

NP, John. Anytime.

[gsjohnny]

finished the front mount locations so i know how and where the engine will sit. looking at the rover oil pump i decided to take the one off the v6 because i know i have room.
old age and forgetting what your were doing and where did i put stuff is a pain in the ass. had to get some cleaning fluid for the oil pan. started cleaning the pan and then realized i was cleaning the wrong one and where the hell did i put the one i need. not good.
bottom end is assembled and heads are on. adjust the rollers and prime the oil pump and it will ready to go in the rail to be finished there. need to get some stock to make header flanges. can't find anybody that will do it. oh well.
the hampton blower i bought should be here next week. can't wait to see how will work.

[ss4825]

This one?

Are those Buick straight 8's circa 1953?

[bill lagna]

Are those Buick straight 8's circa 1953?
Not Buicks,
Buicks have a one piece push rod cover on the side.

[gsjohnny]

Are those Buick straight 8's circa 1953?

i think they are 320's. yr unknown. are interested in another project??

[gsjohnny]

Not Buicks,
Buicks have a one piece push rod cover on the side.

bill,
those are buicks. the guy modified the hell out of them. i have a bunch of different pics of what he done. his work makes me look like a first grader. his past was he restored cars, etc and some of them ended up at the pebble beach shows.

[bill lagna]

bill,
those are buicks. the guy modified the hell out of them. i have a bunch of different pics of what he done. his work makes me look like a first grader. his past was he restored cars, etc and some of them ended up at the pebble beach shows.

WOW!
I would have lost money on that bet !
Bill

[gsjohnny]

been to cold to play in the garage lately. but the 4-71 blower i bought was waiting for me today. damn, that setup is heavy. but its cool looking.:LAUGH: going from the v6 to the 350 with the 4-71 will almost double the weight. also bought a sbm high dual quad off ebay. i will use this as a blower intake instead of the sbm behive one. it will be warm next week, 40's, and i can get back to work.

[gsjohnny]

i assembled the blower on the kitchen floor. its 24" tall. yikes. gonna be tough for the driver. lol

[gsjohnny]

got a little warm enough to turn on the furnace and play. put the engine in the rail and played with different intake setups. the 4-71 does drop the chassis about a 1/4". should have measured the v6. anyways, i started measuring to the top of the carb to see how high they all are. difference between s/p/carb and 4-71/carbs is almost 10" add another 5" for the top of the scoop. looking from the back all i see the back of the blower. lol. i bought that dual quad sbm thinking i would be making another blower intake. may not have to. i think i can modify the current one for the 4-71. it has to go foward some inches so i can clear stuff. but may have to buy an electric water pump so the belt will clear and may have to buy a sfi balancer for the lower pulley to work. the idler pulley set up, that will be a pain. no place to go. all these little issues to deal with.

[gsjohnny]

for fun we went to the model train in mass. don't ever let anybody tell you drag racing is expensive! there was a engine and coal tender that went for $12,500. nice, but 12.5. ouch. then there a company that will build you a table set. it was roughly 5 x 8. cost 15k. they said they have done up to 1/2 million for a customer. they are crazier than us.

[gsjohnny]

called don hampton, hampton blowers, tonite for questions about blower mounting issues. real nice guy and funny too. will have to get some parts from him to fit the pulleys.
one of the problems is the water pump. always thought, like the 455's, there are 2 different w/p's. not! i now have 3 different w/p heights. have no clue where the odd ball came from. but that's the one i will be using because i need to push the pulley closer as not to interfere with the s/c belt. will also have to move the alternator back a 1/2". will have to cut the alt or the bracket. would be nice to lower it, but issue with the lower w/p hose.
may have to make spacers for both blower pulleys to miss everything. only problem my lathe can't handle the o.d.'s i need to make. maybe 'the bank' will feel sorry for me. need to order s/c plate and header flange material tomorrow. more $$$.
all in all, these little things take a lot of time to do.

[gsjohnny]

damn......in limbo with making parts. too many which way do i go. time to rethink everything.:DOU:

[gsjohnny]

made a spacer for the top s/c pulley to push it out a little further. that looks good. i need to buy a chevy single groove crank pulley plus make a spacer to extend out the lower s/c pulley. but i'm stuck with the w/p and alternator because of all this. w/p choices are electric. i pretty the regular 350 meziere sells wont work. either i use a 5.4 ford and make my own w/p cover to go with it or go to an inline elec w/p. an inline and using a plate in place of the stock w/p makes a lot more room for the s/c belt, but then i need to figure out the alt issue of where to put it. not going to run w/o an alt. dont want to keep bringing a generator and charger with me all the time.
i ordered steel for the headers and a plate for the 4-71. but i think i screwed up ordering the plate. i use 1" plate for the b&m and ordered 3/4" for the 4-71. think i will have to order 1". there goes another 100 out the window.:DOU:
all these little issues slowing me down. dont you wish i did pictures too.....nahh, too much technology for me.:LAUGH:

[gsjohnny]

scrounging for ideas;
http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/bracket_kits.html
i could put the lower alt pulley on the outside of the c/s pulley and use an elec w/p. i think this might solve my stupid problem.
whatta think?

[ss4825]

scrounging for ideas;
http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/bracket_kits.html
i could put the lower alt pulley on the outside of the c/s pulley and use an elec w/p. i think this might solve my stupid problem.
whatta think?

That does look like it will work.

[gsjohnny]

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[ss4825]

That is just plain sick. I love it!

[gsjohnny]

since i don't do modern technology, my son/driver john put them up. 3 different setups. 4-71, b&m and s/p.

but we were looking at the w/p issue and probably will have to use an inline pump to make some clearance. have to build a flat plate to cover the w/p and use mount a water outlet on it for the lower hose. you'd think there would be a lot of open space on a rail, but it goes away quick when there is no place to put things as seen in the pictures.

"That is just plain sick. I love it!"...you must be talking about my garage mess. :LAUGH:

[ss4825]

Johnny you now if you run alcohol you won't need a water pump or radiator.

[John Csordas]

Hey Alan Johnny may drink it first!

[gsjohnny]

yeah, alcohol is for drinking not driving. :LAUGH:

been over to the new www.frontenginedragsters.org forum. getting some ideas there. too many ideas. need to figure the front of the motor out and get it done and it has to be done with the s/c in place. thought about making a front engine plate and maybe that would solve some issues. but not going there. this is getting to be a real pain.

[ss4825]

Just remember that methanol goes in the tank and ethanol goes in the drink.

[gsjohnny]

no news other than i finally picked up a tall sbm dual quad intake. the first blower intake was too low. this one i can raise it up to help the heat issue. looking at one more intake to use for a blower. 'the bank' is going to be mad at me.:WOW:

[gsjohnny]

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3566633964.html

i could haul the rail and everything in this. :LAUGH:

[cacmanjr]

That thing is really cool!

[gsjohnny]

you could do some wierd things with this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGNESIUM-FUEL-INJECTION-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-DON-GERARDOT-HILBORN-CROWER-WATERMAN-/310593903827?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item4850d6dcd3&vxp=mtr

[gsjohnny]

finally got to big al's toy box today. swapped some of the sbc parts for parts i really need. still need to remachine them for a buick.

[gsjohnny]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NASCAR-NEW-Lentz-6-370-Billet-Rods-/181081076806?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a2945f446&vxp=mtr

possibilities. if i was looking i'd be buying

[gsjohnny]

picked up some zoomies off ebay for the 350. little on the big side, but can sleeve them down. old age and lousy weather slowing me down trying to finish the rail with the 350 package. gotta get moving.
found this on racing junk. rear engine wagon. http://www.racingjunk.com/Buick/181714729/1965-buick-special-wagon-chevy-pwr.html
also found this. sent email. http://www.racingjunk.com/Dragsters/2890219/OLDER-DRAGSTER-BUICK-STG.2-REBUILT-ENG.-.html

[gsjohnny]

i just spent 15 mins writing notes and the fricking thing disapeared. damn.:BLAST::BLAST:

[gsjohnny]

finished the header flanges. going to use 2" pipe for the zoomies. got to get a stick of pipe to have bent and welded. thought about bigger pipes. but save that for when i put on the blower.
sometimes having an engine with multi brand parts is not fun. you forget where they are, where they go, etc. put on the valley cover and i forgot a couple of things. just glued it down and had to take it apart. ugly. warmer weather will make things go a lot faster.

[gsjohnny]

issues and more issues. grrrrrrr.
put in a v6 in the begining to practice with. no big problems. so how hard can it be to put a 350 in it. everything is the same, just longer. right? not a chance in hell. the back end was not a problem. the front end, nothing but problems. a little modifing here leads to modifing some place which leads to modifing somethine else, etc. this is just the s/p setup. can wait till i get to the blower. :WOW::DOU::RANT::RANT::RANT:

[gsjohnny]

finally got the front end to work. had to cut up the alt bracket to make it work along with finding smaller pulleys. need to modify the t/stat housing to a right angle so its a straight line to the radiator. john has wiring to do. more zoomie pipes coming. weld them up, adjust the rockers and we are running. :YA::YA:

[cacmanjr]

COOL!

[gsjohnny]

after a couple of days of trying to make all the front parts of the engine fit, its done. got it fired up today. :YA::YA: john says it doesnt sound loud enough. told him we using the stock rockers, not the rollers. will change them after we get some runs on it.

[ss4825]

Very good. Can't wait to see some times.

[gsjohnny]

feels real good now that its running. :YA: some little things to do and just wait for warm weather to try it out.
hopefully beat up some bbb's. lol

[gsjohnny]

got some 2" zoomies today. think they will look real nice on it. and i know headers would make more h/p, but i'm not going that way. more period correct. we will be fast enough.

[gsjohnny]

when the engine was in the 73, it blew a fan belt and somehow water got it the oil. checked and looked at everything. found nothing. now that the engine is in the rail, i have been running it w/out water. a little leery of it. i added water today and ran it for a while. there is no water in the oil. must have been a fluke thing with the blower. john has to take some pictures of the brakes because somebody is interested in buying the airhearts. if they sell, i can buy a newer system. other than that, if was dry and warmer, i would playing in the driveway with it. :YA:

[Nothingface5384]

glad to see an update bro
I cant wait till its warm and dry!

[gsjohnny]

today john installed the new parts for the distributor that i screwed up :DOU: and we took it out for one test run in the driveway. needless to say, a big difference form the v6. the v6 would just go and not spin the tires. the 350....well, we will be wearing the tires out a lot sooner. had a water leak on the mopar s/p. thought the old silicone was still good. not. i bled the brakes, but john said they were not working too good. will work on them.
all in all, it was nice to see it moving again.:YA::YA:

[ss4825]

Nice........very nice.

[cacmanjr]

Glad you got to play with the bundle of pipe. Fix them brakes, get some new tires and head for the track!

[gsjohnny]

i bled the brakes and they were ok. but somehow they didnt stay. don't know. tires are fine, but the kid will wear them if we do a lot of testing this year. i may detune it down to a stock intake, then t/a intake and then the s/p to show the differences, because there are some out there that talk the talk, but haven't walked the talk. a lot of misinformation out there when it comes to the 350 on other sites.

[gsjohnny]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NASCAR-NEW-Lentz-6-370-Billet-Rods-/400455834692?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3d071c44&vxp=mtr

possible set of rods

[johnnyquest]

front tires/rims will be home tomorrow, fix the brakes so that car stops for me.

[gsjohnny]

front tires/rims will be home tomorrow, fix the brakes so that car stops for me.

that's what parachutes are for. had to do the tires over. they were out of round.

[gsjohnny]

i bought the sbm dual quad to make an intake for the 4-71. but i think i can make modifications to the b&m blower intake to accept the 4-71 by adding a plate on top of it. will know soon.

[Nothingface5384]

sounds good man

[gsjohnny]

i think a made a mistake regarding the top plate. i think i made the hole too big for the 4-71 base. will take off the machine tomorrow to see if i'm correct. maybe another $100 down the drain. :DOU::DOU:

[Nothingface5384]

i think a made a mistake regarding the top plate. i think i made the hole too big for the 4-71 base. will take off the machine tomorrow to see if i'm correct. maybe another $100 down the drain. :DOU::DOU:

That sucks
atleast it'll be corrected and done this comming time around

[gsjohnny]

thought about it. i think i can make an insert to cover my oops. hopefully that will work.

[gsjohnny]

cut a pocket in the 4-71 plate for the insert. got the insert half done. will add some screw holes and glue. should finish tomorrow.

this is what happens when i forget that i'm working upside down.

[gsjohnny]

well dummy fix the plate with an insert. drill the holes to bolt on to the intake. got to buy some longer screws now. lifting the 4-71 to put on the intake is HEAVY. layed it out a rough location, but can't bolt it down till i get the bottom pulley in place. anybody know the thickness difference is between a stock balancer and a sfi one? also need to see how a meziere w/p will fit in this scenario. mo' money. :DOU:

[gsjohnny]

had one side of the zoomies welded. put it on the engine and had a header on the other side and started it up. the zoomie side sounded way different. it sounded great compared to the header.:YA::LAUGH: and it looks really cool on the car. can't wait till the other side is done. going to have to put the 1.65 rkrs on it to hear what that sounds like also.

[JESUPERCAT]

Any pictures of your engine with the Zommies and 4/71?
Glad you are having some fun:TU:
How soon till you get out to the track?

[Nothingface5384]

had one side of the zoomies welded. put it on the engine and had a header on the other side and started it up. the zoomie side sounded way different. it sounded great compared to the header.:YA::LAUGH: and it looks really cool on the car. can't wait till the other side is done. going to have to put the 1.65 rkrs on it to hear what that sounds like also.
what no jb weld!? :LAUGH:
ditto on the pics